Twisted Systems

    Streaming Audio and Other Rants

    Issue 134

    First off, I hope many of you are listening to my new Podcast called The Jay Jay French Connection: Beyond the Music (available on Spotify, Apple Music and

    Great topics, great guests, and my new book, Twisted Business: Lessons From my Life in Rock n Roll is coming out in September.

    Among the many fun things one can do to while away the hours in this pandemic exile is nonstop net surfing.

    The fact that our phones now know our inner thoughts to the degree that all we have to do apparently is think of something and then...poof, the subject magically appears in the Google search engine is eerie, to say the least. So terrifying is this Big Brother aspect that the fact that it happens is a rant all to itself.

    I will however, hold back on that in favor of commenting about all the various “expert” opinions about speaker cables, turntables, digital vs. analog, and my current pet peeve, hi-res streaming.

    Perhaps I've been in this game too long.

    I know what I know and I know what I hear.

    When the “experts” tell us on their YouTube channel that there is no difference in cables, or that digital is better because it just has to be, I still watch, to see how wrong they can be. I get that audio can be confusing, but such opinions are about as valid as someone saying that “all rap music sucks” or, “all country music sounds the same,” or all the other well-worn cliches that we hear that are now given greater exposure thanks to the internet.

    There simply is no alternative to actually experiencing things to know all you need to know.

    The latest truism, as far as I'm concerned, is the myth that if you listen to music streamed over TIDAL or Qobuz (for example) and you have the ability to listen at higher bit rates (assuming that your D/A converter is capable) then the higher bit rates must sound better.

    Well, after much listening and comparing, I will say that that is not always the case.

    One of the enjoyable aspects of this kind of high-end streaming is that you can pick the version you want to listen to – hi-res at various sample and bit rates, CD-quality, or various formats.

    It even gets a little crazier if you have TIDAL and Qobuz because they don’t even sound similar, track-for-track and bit rate-to-bit rate. It is a little crazy, I know; but if you have spent serious dosh on gear, wouldn't you want to feel better about your investment? And I’m not even talking about how the way the music is sent from your streamer to your D/A converter – the actual cable and interface connections -- because using a USB cable versus a digital coax cable and making comparisons can also cause one to reach for the Prozac!

    Here is the point. If you listen to enough streaming and you know that the source was mastered at 44.1 kHz/16-bit, I don't care if the version that you are streaming at is 88, 176, 192 or 386 kHz at 24 bits. The playback at 44.1 kHz/16-bit, at least to my ears, sounds best.

    What is even more confounding is that the streaming services say that all they do is stream what the record labels send them. In theory, then, there should be no difference between the sound quality of the various services if, in fact, that is the case.

    Why then, do they sound different?

    And what about FLAC files?

    I had a producer friend come over to my house to listen to The Beatles “Apple” USB stick box set. It contains all the Beatles’ studio albums, in their UK configurations. For the first time, all the Beatles’ music is now available in two modes, standard “Red Book” CD, and all the albums are also on FLAC files. I can easily go back and forth. As I can decode both, it made for a very interesting exercise.

    The Beatles USB box set.

    The Beatles USB box set.


    While the FLAC files sounded “hotter,” they didn't sound better.

    The only digital medium so far that has consistently sounded better then Red Book audio to me is SACD. That is probably why SACD ain’t dying too soon!

    After you read this, if you have the option to play back streamed digital music, please try all of these options on your systems and report back to me.

    In a recent interview, Michael Fremer of Analog Planet and Stereophile was asked about hi-res digital files being used to press vinyl. Wouldn't the hi-res digital file sound better than the vinyl? However, Michael stated that vinyl cut from a hi-res digital master can sound even better than listening to the digital file via digital playback electronics, and I agree, having many recordings I’ve used to make the comparisons.

    When I interviewed Giles Martin several years ago about the 2017 remixed and remastered version of the Beatles’ Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band, he also confided that he prefers the sound of the vinyl to digital-only playback of the hi-res digital files it was made from, and most importantly, he can’t explain why other than, “it just does!”

    The point is: when it comes to digital, not all digital files are equal (even when it says they are) and not all hi-res files sound better than standard CD-quality.

    Please chime in on this.


    Header image: Cambridge Audio DacMagic 100.

    5 comments on “Streaming Audio and Other Rants”

    1. I am in general agreement with you. Some years ago I did blind AB testing to determine if HiRes files sounded better than CD, I could always distinguish them, the HiRes had a slight 'edge', but I could not say that one was better than the other. There are so many factors involved in the sound of an album that the bit rate it uses is a comparatively minor matter, and is certainly no guarantee of a good listening experience. On average I would say that I prefer HiRes, but there are individual exceptions. In particular medieval music played on original instruments I find preferable at CD quality, since the instruments can sound very harsh. I have a dark suspicion that it would be even more acceptable played through my parents' old radiogram!

    2. So, while I get that this is truly all about the "sonics" of the experience, there is one thing that never gets discussed in all of these streaming vs vinyl conversations...Streaming is EASY! I don't mean to oversimplify, but it allows me to listen to entire symphonies, ALL of "Dark Side of the Moon", etc., without getting up to flip an album. And this isn't (ONLY) laziness, it's about experiencing the entirety of the artist's intention in one sitting. Is there a sacrifice in absolute musicality? Maybe, but the fact that we all seem to keep dissecting the minutiae of this leads me to believe that HiRes done right is still pretty damned good...Oh, and when I have friends over to enjoy some music and fine whiskey (ahhh, and yet another conversation!), it's fun to go down one musical rabbit hole after another without having to get up and continually interrupt the experience...Party on, Garth.

    3. Streaming aside, when I compare the CD version to a file version, usually flac but sometimes DSD, both sourced through a heavily modified Oppo 203 to digital only (spdif), the CD version usually wins, high res file or not.

      Yet, I also have sympathy for squirejim’s point about convenience. There’s a lot to be said for being able to sit — or lay back — on a sofa and quickly make and change album file and (named) song choices off an SSD or USB stick feeding the Oppo, with the choices on a TV screen, vs. having to figure out from a CD case which track is which and needing to get up and change CDs.

    4. I'll take 2496 or 24192 all day long, but DSD/SACD is my FAV. The Octave Music releases are superb and I have been wearing out the Don Grusin release.

      There are some good CD releases/recordings, but they are few compared to high bit rate PCM and DSD. I do love the Pete Malinverni CDs from Reservoir Music as some of the best redbook piano recordings.

      I use the Tascam SDHC card recorders here and my DR680MK2 can do two tracks of 24/192 and 6 tracks of 2496. It sounds superb. I will buy a DA 3000 and do my own DSD recordings my years end. My humble piano recordings are well captured in high res PCM for now.

      Maybe a PS Audio GainCell DAC by years end as well to up my playback game.

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