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Will the Bridge support cue-files?


20 July 2010 12:18 PM   [ Ignore ]
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To preserve the original sources as much as possible, I´m usually ripping to one big WAV-file and a cue-file for track information.

Will the Bridge be able to open cue-files, play selected tracks, hop from one track to another?

What about building playlists containing selected tracks from different albums, if all albums are stored this way?

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20 July 2010 06:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Actually, I have no idea what a cue file is so I am hard pressed to answer.  Certainly you can build any size playlist (actually I think the limit is 135 songs) using any format supported by us - which certainly includes WAV.  You can mix and match so the same playlist has WAV, FLAC, MP3 or whatever in it and this does not matter.

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20 July 2010 07:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Thank you, Paul for your quick reply.

When I have a great live recording, I wouldn´t want to split it into separate tracks with gaps in between. That´s not the listening experience it´s meant to be, is it? The other option would be to rip the whole recording to one big file. But then without being able to select single tracks.

Now a cue-file gives you the best of both. Uninterrupted enjoyment of the original recording plus an index for skipping to a desired track as you like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_sheet_(computing)

Many software mediaplayers utilize cuesheets. Foobar, XXHighend, Audacious, cMP/cPlay to name a few.

I would be a little disappointed if the Bridge didn´t support cuesheets. Or is there another way of getting the same result I´m not aware of?

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20 July 2010 09:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Claus - 20 July 2010 07:35 PM

When I have a great live recording, I wouldn´t want to split it into separate tracks with gaps in between. That´s not the listening experience it´s meant to be, is it? The other option would be to rip the whole recording to one big file. But then without being able to select single tracks.

Claus-

Gapless playback is very important to me as well and how it is handled by the bridge is one of the first things I will test and report on when I receive my beta unit.
Your points about the cue sheet are good, but I am also concerned about how the unit will handle receiving a single huge WAV file all at once. It seems like something - either the server, the network, or the Bridge would get a little unhappy about that. I’ll test that, too.

 
21 July 2010 05:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Thank you, peanut_butter.

let´s assume ripping a redbook stereo cd is giving me one huge WAV-file of 600 MB. 100 MBit-Ethernet ‘realworld’-transferrate might be 8 MB/s. So this would take 75 seconds to load into memory. I could live with that, others might not.

Do you know the transferrate of the Bridge´s ethernet interface? 100 Mbit or 1 Gbit? Also, I could not find the size of the memory installed on a PWD-Bridge. If it´s too small, files must be split. High Resolution files will get much bigger than the mentioned redbook files. Is the memory upgradable?

When will you get your device for beta testing?

I´m waiting for your reports. Although, I´m afraid, I will have to wait some extra months for delivery here in Germany.

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21 July 2010 06:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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I just spoke with the head engineer who told me we do not currently support cue sheets and we do not have gapless playback unfortunately.  This is something on their list to handle but hasn’t happened yet and probably won’t before the Bridge ships out to beta testers.

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21 July 2010 08:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Paul McGowan - 21 July 2010 06:44 AM

I just spoke with the head engineer who told me we do not currently support cue sheets and we do not have gapless playback unfortunately.  This is something on their list to handle but hasn’t happened yet and probably won’t before the Bridge ships out to beta testers.

No gapless playback? crying Can I take it from your response that it is on the priority list and will be resolved before the beta test ends? 

In terms of the listening experience, there isn’t much worse than listening to two tracks on an album that segue into each other and having to have a break in the music prior to the next track starting.

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21 July 2010 09:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Paul McGowan - 21 July 2010 06:44 AM

I just spoke with the head engineer who told me we do not currently support cue sheets and we do not have gapless playback unfortunately.  This is something on their list to handle but hasn’t happened yet and probably won’t before the Bridge ships out to beta testers.

No gapless playback? crying Can I take it from your response that it is on the priority list and will be resolved before the beta test ends? 

In terms of the listening experience, there isn’t much worse than listening to two tracks on an album that segue into each other and having to have a break in the music prior to the next track starting.

I don’t get it…if it’s recorded that way, how is it not “conveyed” the same way?  My Squeezbox handles those types of gapless “song-to-song” files??  I’m pretty sure I could live without gap-less play, but I don’t understand the protocol…

 
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timequest - 21 July 2010 09:44 AM
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Paul McGowan - 21 July 2010 06:44 AM

I just spoke with the head engineer who told me we do not currently support cue sheets and we do not have gapless playback unfortunately.  This is something on their list to handle but hasn’t happened yet and probably won’t before the Bridge ships out to beta testers.

No gapless playback? crying Can I take it from your response that it is on the priority list and will be resolved before the beta test ends? 

In terms of the listening experience, there isn’t much worse than listening to two tracks on an album that segue into each other and having to have a break in the music prior to the next track starting.

I don’t get it…if it’s recorded that way, how is it not “conveyed” the same way?  My Squeezbox handles those types of gapless “song-to-song” files??  I’m pretty sure I could live without gap-less play, but I don’t understand the protocol…

I’m not an expert, but the software has to be able to identify that there isn’t supposed to be a gap and that the songs blend seamlessly into each other.  wiki info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gapless_playback which explains in some detail.

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22 July 2010 02:34 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Paul

thank you for clarifying. So there´s hope for the feature to be included when the Bridge will be shipped to Germany.

Claus

 
22 July 2010 06:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Yes, certainly there’s a chance.  But even if not, the Bridge will be going through a regular upgrade process.  This process will be handled just like a computer program and will load through the internet and be pretty much automatic.

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timequest - 21 July 2010 09:44 AM
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Paul McGowan - 21 July 2010 06:44 AM

I just spoke with the head engineer who told me we do not currently support cue sheets and we do not have gapless playback unfortunately.  This is something on their list to handle but hasn’t happened yet and probably won’t before the Bridge ships out to beta testers.

No gapless playback? crying Can I take it from your response that it is on the priority list and will be resolved before the beta test ends? 

In terms of the listening experience, there isn’t much worse than listening to two tracks on an album that segue into each other and having to have a break in the music prior to the next track starting.

I don’t get it…if it’s recorded that way, how is it not “conveyed” the same way?  My Squeezbox handles those types of gapless “song-to-song” files??  I’m pretty sure I could live without gap-less play, but I don’t understand the protocol…


BTW, you’ll definitely notice it and find that you want it if you listen to classical or an album like Abby Road…very, very annoying…

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22 July 2010 01:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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Chris Gossard - 22 July 2010 01:03 PM
timequest - 21 July 2010 09:44 AM
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Paul McGowan - 21 July 2010 06:44 AM

I just spoke with the head engineer who told me we do not currently support cue sheets and we do not have gapless playback unfortunately.  This is something on their list to handle but hasn’t happened yet and probably won’t before the Bridge ships out to beta testers.

No gapless playback? crying Can I take it from your response that it is on the priority list and will be resolved before the beta test ends? 

In terms of the listening experience, there isn’t much worse than listening to two tracks on an album that segue into each other and having to have a break in the music prior to the next track starting.

I don’t get it…if it’s recorded that way, how is it not “conveyed” the same way?  My Squeezbox handles those types of gapless “song-to-song” files??  I’m pretty sure I could live without gap-less play, but I don’t understand the protocol…


BTW, you’ll definitely notice it and find that you want it if you listen to classical or an album like Abby Road…very, very annoying…


No doubt.  long face

 
30 July 2010 11:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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timequest - 22 July 2010 01:10 PM
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Paul McGowan - 21 July 2010 06:44 AM

I just spoke with the head engineer who told me we do not currently support cue sheets and we do not have gapless playback unfortunately.  This is something on their list to handle but hasn’t happened yet and probably won’t before the Bridge ships out to beta testers.

No gapless playback? crying Can I take it from your response that it is on the priority list and will be resolved before the beta test ends? 

In terms of the listening experience, there isn’t much worse than listening to two tracks on an album that segue into each other and having to have a break in the music prior to the next track starting.

I don’t get it…if it’s recorded that way, how is it not “conveyed” the same way?  My Squeezbox handles those types of gapless “song-to-song” files??  I’m pretty sure I could live without gap-less play, but I don’t understand the protocol…


BTW, you’ll definitely notice it and find that you want it if you listen to classical or an album like Abby Road…very, very annoying…


No doubt.  long face

Well perhaps the Bridge doesn’t support gapless playback, but I am able to get gapless playback using the app and my Linn Akurate DS w/ Asset UPnP as server.  I cranked up Todd Rundgren’s “A Wizard, A True Star” to see if gapless worked or not, and I’m happy to say that there were no issues…songs flowed seamlessly into each other.

I guess I’ll find this out when the Bridge arrives next week, but thought I’d ask -

is the lack of gapless playback a Bridge issue or a server software issue.  In other words, if Asset UPnP supports it, will the Bridge just take what it’s given from the server?

Thanks.

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08 August 2010 04:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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This is an issue we will need to address separately.  It will be handled since no one wants to have a record like Dark Side of the Moon playing with gaps.  We understand and will address and fix this feature in the Bridge.  I want to get through all the major bug lists first, then we’ll start working on this kind of feature.

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