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This could very much be the I2S cable you’re using. Huge differences between cables. I threw out the one Arnie recommended in favor of the stock one we included in your package and everything widened and opened up nicely. It may be too short for many, but clearly this cable is a big deal.

This is absolutely what I’m saying, too. Made the same experience in my digital setup from PS Audio: The quality of the I2S connection is crucial for the SQ! And it makes sense to invest some additional hundred $ in an excellent HDMI cable when you’re spending approx. $ 6’000,00 for a new CD/SACD Player, doesn’t it? Remember the weakest link theory…

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Regarding the firmware upgrade instructions; I have problems understanding the following instructions-: “Insert the SD card in DMP’s rear SD card slot – remembering the label is face up, the gold pins pointing down. Turn on and off the rear panel power switch. The PS logo light should blink. Do not remove power. Once the unit is operational again —-
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Jeff – yeah I noted that.  Pretty sure it’s a typo, given other upgrade procedures.  You need to “power cycle” from on to off, and back to on.  I usually wait a few seconds with it off just to be “kind” to the device.  But it probably doesn’t care.  Though there have been some devices that would not fully power down instantly if you flipped the switch too fast.

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When I first heard that PS Audio was planning to come out with a disc transport capable of reading the SACD layer, and specifically intended to connect with its DirectStream DAC, I was immediately highly interested.  I have been cheerleading the SACD format since the purchase of my first SACD player, the Sony XACD-777ES in 2001.  Since then, I have also owned four other “universal” players which could accommodate SACD discs:  the short-lived, unreliable, but excellent sounding Parasound Halo D-3; three Oppo players, of increasingly better sound quality, from the pathetic DV-980H, to the very respectable and constantly improved BDP-83 (original, SE version, and NuForce mods), and currently the BDP-105D.  One thing that struck me as odd was that there was usually minimal differences in sound quality on the SACD layer with my four best SACD players (Sony, Parasound, two most recent Oppos); while the differences when playing CDs were often great (Parasound, BDP-105D, BDP-83 NuForce, and Sony, in order of best to worst).  Over this time, I have collected hundreds of SACD discs, almost matching the number of CDs I own.  So in 2009, when I learned that PS Audio’s first generation PerfectWave Transport would not be SACD capable, I was very disappointed.  One of my very first posts to this forum was pleading to Paul McGowan to please include SACD in his new transport.  His response explained about the Sony licensing restrictions of transmitting the DSD content without copy protection.  So I patiently waited another seven or so years for the engineering team at PS Audio to work out a scheme which would accommodate both the SACD devotees and Sony’s lawyers.  And, when notified a few weeks ago that I would be included in the beta-test program, I was thrilled!  I have had the DMP for almost two days now, and even in this short time, I can confidently proclaim that my patient seven-year wait has been resoundingly rewarded.

I have learned over the years that “break-in” of audio components is real, but I couldn’t muster any more patience to not listen to the DMP as soon as I got it out of the box.  Immediately, I noticed more air, ambience, tautness of bass, sense of realism, and dimensional accuracy than with any other source before.  Those sources include all disc formats as well as LPs.  A while back, when SACDs appeared to be a dying format, I invested again in quality LP playback components.  And while it did provide a measure of ambience and sense of realism that many CDs lacked, I was never convinced that it was overall superior, or maybe even equal overall to SACD.  My purchase of the DirectStream DAC a year or so ago convinced me that digital provided me with most of what I found to be important in music reproduction; and my new purchases of LPs ended, supplanted by digital downloads of hi-rez PCM and preferably DSD for my music server.  The only problem with my digital setup was that my music server could only store PCM or digital downloads of DSD.  I was able to copy the CD layer of my favorite hybrid SACDs to the music server, but not the DSD layer.  So my large store of SACDs couldn’t play through the superior electronics and resultant sound quality of the DirectStream DAC.  Now, all this has changed, and I am a much happier man.  I can’t wait to pull out every one of my stored SACDs, and finally appreciate the music contained within those bits.  To cut to the chase:  the DMP with the DirectStream DAC provides profound improvements in sound quality compared to of any of my previous SACD or universal players, on both the SACD and CD layers.  CD also takes on new life, perhaps a tad bit more defined and dynamic than my music server, which also is a multi-read calculated bit-accurate device.

As I write this introductory first review of the DMP, I noticed that Paul has sent out an email notifying of available firmware updates, taking into account first beta feedback, and going from version 1.4.1 to 1.4.7.  Since the list of addressed issues fixes some of my early ergonomic complaints of the DMP, I will wait until I can fully experience the firmware fixes before commenting further.  But as far as the sound quality of the DMP through the DirectStream DAC is concerned, I will assuredly state that this pair combination is the absolute best high end audio source I have ever heard.  I will follow up with more specifics after a long weekend of listening with the new firmware.

Thanks! What a great review and thorough too. We have understood from day one of DMP’s development there would be those like you that have serious SACD collections and this product we represent a long held dream come true. It was certainly true for me. Though I will admit to having far more CD than SACD, I can’t deny I have always wanted to properly unlock that which is trapped in that secretive layer – DSD.

Thanks for posting and we will look forward to your next reports.

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Regarding the firmware upgrade instructions; I have problems understanding the following instructions-: “Insert the SD card in DMP’s rear SD card slot – remembering the label is face up, the gold pins pointing down. Turn on and off the rear panel power switch. The PS logo light should blink. Do not remove power. Once the unit is operational again —-

I apologize, in advance, for my stupidity, but is Paul stating that the DMP should have the switch in the “off” position when the SC card is inserted in the DMP”s rear SD card slot, and that one should then “turn on” that power switch and then immediately “turn off” the power switch without any delay. If the switch is immediately “turned off” (after temporarily switching it “on” for a fractional moment in time) then surely there will be no power input, so how can the PS logo light start blinking. Also, how can the unit become operational again if the rear panel power switch is still in the “off position”?

I suspect that I may not understand some elementary “fact” and I would appreciate some helpful clarification.

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Sorry Jeff. The idea is to power cycle DMP once the card has been inserted. I normally leave DMP powered on, insert the card in the slot, then turn the rear panel switch off – wait a smidge – power it back on.

If you start with DMP off and insert the SD card, then simply power it back up when you’re done.

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First of all I would like to say I am using the Aurender N10 with the DirectStream dac and it is about as good as digital can get.  Before that I was using the Mac Mini with JRiver and tweaked out with better power cords, Jitterbug, Uptone Regen, etc..  The Aurender is so much better, it’s laughable.  Today I did some extensive listening with my brother and friend.  We all heard and agree on the same thing.  We compare the Aurender to the new DMP with the same music synchronized and switch source with the DSD dac.  DSD files with SACD and CD with 16 bit files. Simply put the DMP is more open, clearer, more solid, and more presence.  Just more real and involving.  We also listen a little with DVD Audio between the Oppo 95 and the DMP.  It’s not worth mentioning because the Oppo sounded like trash in comparison.  Very flat and veil.  I also try the memory stick using the same file as the Aurender and the sound was closer, but the edge still goes to the DMP for being a little clearer and less fuzzy.  I still cannot change tracks on DVD Audio with the DMP though.  Also the DMP froze up one time when I try to change to track 15 from track 4 on a CD.  It just went to track 5 and became unresponsive to the remote and touch screen and on off button in front.  I had to turn off the power from the back switch and then turn it back on to reset.  After that it worked again.  Computers often freezes when it gets confusing signals.  Anyway, we all came to the same conclusion that the DMP’s performance is about as good as it gets. Can hardly wait until it breaks in and I get a better hdmi cable than the Pangea I am using.

Thanks for the kind words! Load the new firmware we sent out last night and the freezing issue should be resolved. More to come, but this will get you closer.

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Regarding the firmware upgrade instructions; I have problems understanding the following instructions-: “Insert the SD card in DMP’s rear SD card slot – remembering the label is face up, the gold pins pointing down. Turn on and off the rear panel power switch. The PS logo light should blink. Do not remove power. Once the unit is operational again —-
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Jeff – yeah I noted that.  Pretty sure it’s a typo, given other upgrade procedures.  You need to “power cycle” from on to off, and back to on.  I usually wait a few seconds with it off just to be “kind” to the device.  But it probably doesn’t care.  Though there have been some devices that would not fully power down instantly if you flipped the switch too fast.

Oops. Backwards English. Sorry. I edited the post.

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I am intrigued by the concept that a purely digital device would “break -n.”

What would break-in with use which would affect the timing of the digital stream output from the DMP? 

Other than timing, what else could change in the digital output which would impact the sound?

I am not arguing against what people are hearing, but break-in in this context does not make sense to me.

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Elk – I’m not sure why any electronic device, digital or analog would NOT break in.  This is assuming one “believes” in it.  Various components warm up, form, relax from their stock state now that they have current/signal running through them.  I’m sure Paul could elaborate.

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Generically, this is true; a device plugged in is in a different state than unplugged. :)

But the query goes specifically to what would change in the device which would impact the timing of the data stream?  There is no question the output is bit perfect from the start.  What changes in the data stream with break in and why?

Remember, the DMP is not producing an analog output so the usual explanations (the transformer settles, etc.) do not apply.

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Hmm…good question.  Something in the I2S connection, incl. cable?  Yeah, sorta doubt the “timing” changes.  But if in fact folks are hearing the HDMI cables changing and/or differing from one another, there’s that.  What “that” is, I dunno itwasntme_gif

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I am intrigued by the concept that a purely digital device would “break -n.”

What would break-in with use which would affect the timing of the digital stream output from the DMP? 

Other than timing, what else could change in the digital output which would impact the sound?

I am not arguing against what people are hearing, but break-in in this context does not make sense to me.

Just playing the devil’s advocate (since I didn’t do any development on the DMP):

Tho I doubt that PS Audio is using CMOS gates in the clock and/or data lines path: coming out of saturation is a chaotic process, so virtually anything that affects conductivity can potentially affect the timing of coming out of saturation, e.g. temperature, short term electric field, left over cleaning solutions that may affect the conductivity on the surface of the package…

If they used analog switches for clock selection (like I recommended for the PWD Mk II) then there’s somewhat less sensitivity to these phenomena, but they still affect the timing a little and they change over time, both each time the unit warms up and in the longer term as any volatile compounds are evaporated away.

Also anything that affects ground bounce or power rails, e.g. simple electrical noise, can be converted to jitter anywhere a clock changes state, so anything in, say, the power supply that changes noise spectrum as it breaks in, e.g. the ubiquitous electrolytic caps, can end up affecting timing by changing the jitter…

I still remember having a quality transport connected to my EMM Labs DAC6e via optical interconnects and changing the power cord on the transport made a significant difference in the solidity of the bass in the system as a whole – anything that affects noise can mess with timing…

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I don’t know why breaking in a transport would make any difference, but every other high performance component I tried settle over time and become transparent and disappears more.  You just hear more music and less equipment.  Seems like the electronic haze get less like when the equipment warms up after you have it on for a while.  Anyway, when a piece sounds good from the get go, I don’t think too much on break-in.

I know cables definitely change the sound. I think it’s a matter of taste.  You find cables that sound good to you and your system, because I tried many cables and  they all vary in sound.  The more expensive one seem to add less and disappear more.  

I put in the new firmware 1.4.7 and now I can dim the display to medium and match the DSD dac.  Bright is too bright and low is too low.  

Now I can also play the CD layer from a hybrid disc although I don’t know why I would want to play an inferior layer.  I’m not interested in how much worst CD sounds, but just want to hear the best sound period. 

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Thanks, Ted

Given that so many of these types of differences are short term, and can be random, one would expect the sound to differ every time the unit is turned on.

I like the phrase, ubiquitous electrolytic caps. :)

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Just because something is locally random or chaotic doesn’t mean it doesn’t have a longer term trend or asymptote.

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Paul, is QTN in the firmware notes related to CD-TEXT? I assume it does not stand for quasi-thermal noise.

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I am intrigued by the concept that a purely digital device would “break -n.”

What would break-in with use which would affect the timing of the digital stream output from the DMP? 

Other than timing, what else could change in the digital output which would impact the sound?

I am not arguing against what people are hearing, but break-in in this context does not make sense to me.

Elk,  I’m also not sure why a purely digital device might “break-in”.  When I wrote my initial review, I was referring to previous posts claiming improvement after some number of hours, and that I didn’t have the patience to wait.  But, I do hear differences on certain components after a number of hours.  Perhaps “break-in” would be better described as “Dielectric stabilization.”  In my system I certainly notice that my power amps sound “on tune” after about a half hour of use.  My amps are thirteen years old, and fully broken-in, but when I turn them on from a cold start it always takes a half-hour for them to sound their best.  (or, it could also just be after a half hour, I’m on my second glass of wine!) drinking-39_gif

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Notes from 11/4, two roughly 2 hour sessions.

For the past six or so years my disc transport has been an NAD M5 (CD and SACD) and for the past two years it has run CD signal into the PS Audio DirectStream DAC. As I can’t do an A/B comparison between the NAD and the DMP I’m going on memory, but most of the songs I’m using for the initial listening are long-time references that I’ve used to audition new gear in (and out of) my systems, so there’s a familiarity that has yet to breed contempt.

For Day 1 listening I’m using the same Nordost coax cable I’ve used for the past two years to connect the transport to the DAC. I also have a Cardas coax cable that I’ll try. For Day 1 I also used a Pangea HDMI as the second transport/DAC connection, which can be compared on-the-fly to the coax cable. I have two other HDMI cables that I’ll use, an Audioquest and a PS Audio. Nothing fancy, and I don’t think I paid over $50 for any of them. As I mentioned in my intro post, the HDMI that came with the DMP is too short for me to use in my main audio system, but it has been able to replace where the Pangea came from.

General impressions:

I’d be hard-pressed to identify much difference between the NAD and DMP when going through the coax cable. I bet that if I could set up a legit A/B protocol I’d be able to identify differences, but I can’t.

NOTE: I can’t play SACD through the coax. I’m not enough of a techie to know if that’s how it should be, but that’s how it is.

As I can A/B between the coax and the HDMI, I did, and… there is a notable difference. The coax sound is thicker, more congested, and more plodding. The HDMI sounds more transparent and cleaner/leaner. So is it more transparent and leaner, or just brighter? Right now I’m leaning (pun intended) toward more transparent and leaner. Of course different is just different and not inherently better or worse. But being an electrostat guy since 1990, I do prize transparency in a system.

I also prize soundstaging, particularly the ability of the gear to “disappear” and the ability to present a wide and tall soundstage and at least some illusion of depth (most of what I listen to are multitrack studio recordings, so probably not much depth to be uncovered, hence the illusion). Here I’d say the DMP, with either cable, did no harm. There was no sense of enhanced width of soundstage (i.e. sound coming from “outside” of the speakers).

As I think others have noted, the display is quite bright, though it can be switched off.

Specific impressions, redbook CD (comments are on what I hear via HDMI vs. coax):

Joan Baez, Diamonds and Rust, title track (A&M): slightly more articulation in Joan’s voice. Thankfully not too much as, IMHO, her falsetto can overwhelm. As a musical aside, she wrote this song about Bob Dylan over 40 years ago, and one of the lines is “You who are so good with words.” Did Joan know something about the Nobel Prize way back then?

Nick Lowe, Labor of Lust, Cruel to Be Kind (YepRoc): more air overall, more clearly hear cymbals and tambourine.

Everly Brothers, Cadence Classic, All I Have to Do Is Dream (Rhino): more dynamic range in Phil and Don’s vocals. This is a mono recording, so should we come up with some new audiophile criteria, like “a diminished width; a loss of dimension; an enhanced sense of mononess?” That’s a joke, ‘philes.

Neil Young, Comes a Time, Goin’ Back (Reprise): Nicolette Larson sings harmony vocals on several songs on this album. I could be wrong, but I’m hearing her (for the first time) singing every line with Neil in this song.

BUMMER ALERT #1: I couldn’t go via the keypad numbers directly from track 5 to 10 on this disc. I could go from 5 to 9 and then use the “skip” button. And I have been able to go directly via the number buttons to double-digit tracks on other discs. I’ll try again later.

Dionne Warwick, Anthology 1962-1969, I Say a Little Prayer for You (Rhino): more presence in the strings and brass, both coming solely from the left channel (an early stereo recording)

Buck Owens, The Very Best of Buck Owens Vol 2, Buckaroo (Rhino): percussion instrument (a wood block?) really stands out in the right channel more than I’ve noticed before.

Specific impressions, other-than-redbook CD through the HDMI:

Blood, Sweat, and Tears, Blood, Sweat & Tears, Spinning Wheel and You Made Me So Very Happy (MoFi SACD): David Clayton-Thomas’ vocal on Spinning Wheel has a hoarseness that I’ve never picked up on before; the brass instruments are really forward and in-your-face, too much for my liking. On You Made Me… there’s no hoarseness in the vocal. The organ in the left channel seems more prominent and there’s a lot of fast fretwork on the bass in the instrumental interlude portion.

BUMMER ALERT #2: Don Henley, The End of the Innocence (DTS Entertaiment “Digital Surround for DTS-Capable 5.1 Surround Systems”): display states “Reading” for over a minute and doesn’t progress from there. I eject the disc, reinsert, and try again with the same result.  Note this is not a DVD-Audio.

BUMMER ALERT #3: Queen, The Game (DTS Entertaiment DVD-Audio): As I think has been noted by others with DVD-Audio, it plays but you can’t skip forward to another track.

Oscar Peterson, The Way I Really Play Vol. III, Waltzing is Hip and Satin Doll (MPS/Verve SACD): not noticing any obvious differences between what I’m used to.

Doobie Brothers, Taking It to the Streets, (MoFi SACD): This disc has what I’ve noticed with some MoFi recordings, and that’s a muffled, where-did-the-highs-go sound. I have a Japanese LP of this and it’s one of my LP references. It’s not muffled and nobody stole the highs. The DMP through HDMI gets me closer to the LP than anything else I’ve heard, but not all the way there.

While listening yesterday I received an email from Paul at PS with a firmware update, so I’ll load it up and it’s time for another listening session.

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Thank you Paul and PS Audio for the opportunity to Beta test the DMP. Unit arrived in its usual well packaged box. In packed performed the firmware upgrade Paul sent us hooked up with the new cable Paul graciously included. (Thank You) and was up and running. A quick note it never ceases to amaze me how simple it is to download and install new updates to the Direct Stream and now the DMP. First impressions after letting it on playing into the DS all night are as follows. On red book compared to my music server and Bricasti is the soundstage is smaller both in width and height and the music gives me the impression I’m further from the stage. So could be more depth. The quality of timbre is very close to my other source. Compared to the PWT there is no comparison with every aspect of the presentation being better. On SACD I don’t have another player hooked up to compare it with however I have a couple dozen SACD’s and they never sounded like this before.

After just two days I have to say I’m totally impressed. Congratulations to the PS Audio team. More to follow in the coming days/weeks as it breaks in.  

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I am intrigued by the concept that a purely digital device would “break -n.”

What would break-in with use which would affect the timing of the digital stream output from the DMP? 

Other than timing, what else could change in the digital output which would impact the sound?

I am not arguing against what people are hearing, but break-in in this context does not make sense to me.

Just playing the devil’s advocate (since I didn’t do any development on the DMP):

Tho I doubt that PS Audio is using CMOS gates in the clock and/or data lines path: coming out of saturation is a chaotic process, so virtually anything that affects conductivity can potentially affect the timing of coming out of saturation, e.g. temperature, short term electric field, left over cleaning solutions that may affect the conductivity on the surface of the package…

If they used analog switches for clock selection (like I recommended for the PWD Mk II) then there’s somewhat less sensitivity to these phenomena, but they still affect the timing a little and they change over time, both each time the unit warms up and in the longer term as any volatile compounds are evaporated away.

Also anything that affects ground bounce or power rails, e.g. simple electrical noise, can be converted to jitter anywhere a clock changes state, so anything in, say, the power supply that changes noise spectrum as it breaks in, e.g. the ubiquitous electrolytic caps, can end up affecting timing by changing the jitter…

I still remember having a quality transport connected to my EMM Labs DAC6e via optical interconnects and changing the power cord on the transport made a significant difference in the solidity of the bass in the system as a whole – anything that affects noise can mess with timing…

Of course! Leave it to Ted to explain it. Thanks Ted.goofy-heart_gif

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Frode said a couple of posts ago: “True, but in another forum I am participating in the draft version is automatically saved in frequent intervals. If one revert to edit the same post (when logged in) the BB ask you if you want to restore your last edit. Comes in very handy, indeed. Maybe this also is possible from Simple:Press BB?”

Yes, Frode, I was hoping for a similar feature. When I found none, I figured that as long as I kept the reply box open and the forum webpage showed that I was logged-in, I would be good to go and have the option of sending whatever I was writing whenever I cared to. Well, 30-some hours in the process, and after countless additions and revisions, that wasn’t the case. I am following Elk’s advice this morning, reattempting the effort of the past several days in a word processor first. Then I will cut-and-paste over to a reply box in this string when I am ready to publish.

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I received my DMP yesterday and I have listened to it for ~6 hours. I will wait ~2 weeks before I discuss its sound quality.

However, I thought that I would comment on some of its operational qualities.

First of all, I am delighted that the CD-drive is silent. I cannot hear the CD-drive spinning even if I place my ears 6″ away from the CD-drawer. This “fact” is very important to me because my audio system is entirely headphone-based (HiFiMan HE1000 which is an open headphone) and I recline in a zero-gravity recliner that is positioned immediately adjacent to my DMP and my ears are about 30″ inches away from the CD-drawer. When using my PWT, I can often hear the swishing sound of the CD-drive during quiet musical passages, which is very annoying. I am therefore delighted that the DMP’s CD-drive is totally silent.

I have updated the firmware to the 1.47 edition and I can now listen to a SACD, which was not possible when I first used my DMP unit, which had firmware 1.37 installed at the factory. My unit’s display screen stated SACD stereo when I placed a SACD in the drawer, but there was no audio output when the SACD was playing – note that my DMP is connected to my Anedio D2 DAC via a coax cable. After installing firmware 1.47, I can now choose SACD stereo in the setup menu, and the front screen states PCM 88.2/24 (which is apparently expected seeing that I do not have a Direct Stream DAC) and I can now actually hear the playing SACD. However, I have noted that the display screen doesn’t show the tracks while the SACD is playing, and I have no idea what track I am listening to at any point in time – compared to the standard redbook CD playback situation where the track numbers change as the CD is played. Is this phenomenon a fault that only involves my unit, or is it a generic fault?

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First of all, I am delighted that the CD-drive is silent.

Very nice.  There are times the noisy drive of the PWT is exceedingly annoying.

I have just begun to listen to the PS Audio supplied 1/2 meter cable in my second system. Much nicer than the KabelDirekt cable Arnie was recommending. When a 1 meter length is available I’ll try to get one to try with the DMP and DSD.

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My DMP now has been plugged in nearly 100 hours and it has had a disc spinning in it about 80 hours. 

It definitely sounds different than it did day one! Partly this is break-in I guess, partly this is my tuning the system so to speak to the new component.

Liveliness is the one word I would use to describe the playback. My system is just alive with sound. Dynamics and air and PRAT. . . truly transformed in those areas. I loved the politer sound of the PWT but the DMP’s exciting, rawer sound is delighting me.

And though it is all these things when delicacy is needed, instantaneously there it is, with detail and grace. 

Redbook is better than the PWT. I certainly did live happily with the PWT, a great machine. And I could again. But I continue to be honored to be a DMP beta-tester and am so glad it’s here in my system.

Then there’s SACD. If you’ve had an SACD player and enjoyed it my money is on you loving the DMP. I’ve never heard SACD like this, and I’ve wanted to.

I’ll post more impressions as this machine seasons in, but I can’t imagine they’ll be more than adding another layer of icing to my cake of happiness with this transport.

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Okay, what follows is my second attempt at a first weigh-in. The original effort was lost when I apparently worked too long on a draft in the reply box. When I finally hit the send button (well over a day after starting it), it vanished into the ether. I am since following sound advice to compose drafts on a word processor first.

So… Christmas may have happened very early this year. The DMP arrived 4 days ago. And while I have been trying to follow earlier advice in this string to allow plenty of burn-in before coming to too many conclusions about what the new addition does or doesn’t bring to the sound palette, I am already grinning ear-to-ear. Will be saving those comments for a later post, however. First things first — i.e., with what meets the eye.

I have been an owner of a PWD and PWT since beta testing both units many years ago. (I upgraded the PWD with a Mark II kit when they first debuted). And in fact, both pieces are sitting in front of me as I type, positioned immediately below a late-model DSD and the new DMP.

I agree with earplugs’ opinion from the other day that case fitment has improved since earlier days. Of extremely minor note, the silver color of the new DMP is tonally about a half-shade darker than that my first-production PWT, at least up-close. (At a distance, the difference vanishes).

And, hallelujah, there is now a very spiffy-looking remote. It features something that I am going to call here a navigation wheel (except it doesn’t rotate), plus back-lit buttons that light up for a few seconds when you press one! Hats-off to PS Audio! Finally a remote control that looks classy and is more user-friendly!

Wish I could say the same thing, however, for the display. These are fairly minor quibbles that I brought to Dennis’s attention a couple of days ago and that I have waited until now to mention here because I hoped the firmware update on Friday might correct at least some of them. It did not. And no need to cover ground again already remarked upon by others, namely, how the display’s new lay-out and font-sizes cut-off recording, track, and artist information that some of us would like to see more of. But I do have a few things to say about idiosyncrasies with the display that no has mentioned here yet. And it is something that very quickly segues into another difficulty that I am having with the DMP (at least early-on), which is navigation within a given track of music.

Replaying certain passages of music over-and-over-again is not something I normally do in the course of day-to-day listening. But when auditioning new audio gear I typically focus on particular, usually-very-short runs of music (repeatedly playing them more times than I care to count) in the effort to try to hear discernible differences that I may have missed on the first couple of go-arounds as I compare different components. Now, as you already know or suspect, both the PWT and the DMP permit intra-track navigation either from their touch-screen displays or from their remotes. The former facilitates either mode easily enough. The DMP, on the other hand, is less accommodating. It will be interesting to hear if others are having a similar experience.

Here are more details. To date, touch-screen inputs on the DMP can be slow or even quirky. And using the DMP remote to fast-forward or fast-reverse through a given track is even more problematic. On the PWT, relocation of the play-point via its remote occurs quietly and smoothly and progresses as long as the respective forward or backward buttons are held down. On the DMP similar functions can be directed by clicking arrowed positions on the top and bottom of the new remote’s transport “navigation wheel. But nothing about the intra-track movement that follows happens smoothly or quietly through my system’s speakers. Instead, it occurs in a sequence of incremental jumps that are not only audible (in momentary samplings of music) but also continue even when the arrowed input on the remote is released. When it first happened to me, I thought the particular detent on the navigational wheel of the remote had gotten stuck, so I depressed it again to see if that might un-stick things. But that just made the stuttering sequence of less-than-one-second-long music fragments worse — in fact sped up its progression! And a few more frantic-clicks later to try to free up a possible stuck button position drove the DMP off the deep end, seizing it up to any ability to accept further inputs, including the termination of its audible, now-very-rapid hops, skips, and jumps through that particular music track. Well, as I would eventually figure out, there is a way to abort the fast-navigation mode via the remote. You have to click the pause/play button in the center of the transport navigation wheel. What successive clicks to the arrowed portions at the top and bottom of the wheel do is increase the time-length of the incremental jumps that sequence through the track, at least until the fast-forwarding or fast-reversing is terminated by a clicking of the pause button. Bottom line, intra-track navigation on the DMP via its remote may be more manageable now that I know how what remote selections need to be clicked and when, but having to listen in the process to a stuttering cacophony of musical jibberish is not my cup of tea.

Ever since, I have taken to re-directing the play point to passages I want to hear by touching the track-bar on the display, exactly as I am able to do on the PWT. On either unit, with my large and pretty-fleshy fingertips, the best I can usually hope for is to end in a general vicinity. But the cursor on the DMP’s track-progress bar is occasionally reluctant and sometimes has a mind of its own, nearly always eventually jumping to where my fingertip attempts to place it, but then sometimes snapping to someplace else entirely. And momentarily the new elapsed times displayed on both ends of the track bar are confused, reporting timings in the first second that are obviously wrong — until wit returns soon thereafter. The impression this has left me early-on is that the DMP is easily befuddled. Before the firmware update I managed to lock-up the DMP on 3 different occasions, just trying to navigate to desired music passages. Two of them happened from the touch-screen, and one was from the remote. (I had to power-down and back up again on all 3 occasions to restore function). And the overall sluggishness of loading and reading CDs (compared to the PWT) doesn’t help me believe that the DMP has it all together yet. Bottom line, while the brightness of the DMP’s display and its viewability from all angles has hugely improved over the one on my very-early-model PWT – and unless the behavior I am reporting is exclusive to my unit – the DMP could use further refinement of several of its touch-screen functions and more accuracy and helpfulness to some of what it displays.

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Short answer; re: Redbook/ Bridge II vs DMP

I’ve listened to about 200 redbooks so far, discs from recent release all the way back to some real harsh stuff cut in the mid-late eighties. Most all of them I have on server (Roon/Bridge II) as well,  to A/B. The DMP SQ bump is huge for redbook compared with server, better detail resolution (fatigue-free to my ears), improved dynamic range, more ambiance/air (acoustic & vocal esp), and a hard to define improved richness and musicality. It is a real kick hearing old CDs that sound new again, and way better than you remembered. 

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brodricj said “”To me as a potential DMP buyer I’m not interested in the bugs they are finding, because I know PS Audio will sort them all out eventually. To me all this bug discussion is a distraction from what I’m really interested in with this product. I want to know what it sounds like, what content you’re playing on it, I want to know what you’ve been using prior to DMP and how it compares sonically to what DMP brings to the party.”” 

Yes – I find it a pain as well. But I do realise reporting all the bug issues is very important, ‘and they must be very frustrating to the beta testers but’, I was hoping that there would be more insight to the musical performance of the DMP. Elk suggested skipping over the DMP posts on the bugs, etc – and he has a point – but it doesn’t leave much else to read………. Reporting all the bad stuff is important…..  My intention was to buy the DMP, ASAP, but after reading all the above posts I will hang fire for a good few months before I place an order on a new DMP.. My PWT is under 2 years old and currently on its 3rd mechanism….! It actually arrived with a faulty mechanism. I have a few CDs where the PWT reads the TOC and displays all art work but when I hit play there is no sound ? ( I have tried all the updates, etc ) On other occasions the PWT abruptly stops playing and the only way to retrieve the CD is switch OFF then ON to reboot the PWT… All my discs are in perfect condition with no scratches, etc… I do hope the loading mechanism is of a much higher standard on the DMP because the mechanism in the PWT simply isn’t up to same standard as the rest of the PWT…… “It looks and feels cheap – which it is”   The PWT is excellent (musically) when compared to other CD players I’ve owned – but it is the most temperamental / unreliable hi-fi product I have owned…………………… 

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Short answer; re: Redbook/ Bridge II vs DMP

I’ve listened to about 200 redbooks so far, discs from recent release all the way back to some real harsh stuff cut in the mid-late eighties. Most all of them I have on server (Roon/Bridge II) as well,  to A/B. The DMP SQ bump is huge for redbook compared with server, better detail resolution (fatigue-free to my ears), improved dynamic range, more ambiance/air (acoustic & vocal esp), and a hard to define improved richness and musicality. It is a real kick hearing old CDs that sound new again, and way better than you remembered. 

Very interesting. Could you please give some details of your server and, in particular, how you connect it to the bridge? While in principle I believe ‘bits-is-bits’ I’m sure that any accompanying noise can have a deleterious effect on sound quality. Do you take any steps to isolate the PS DS from the server?

(My server setup and isolation is shown in post 92 above.) 

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PS Audio has always preferred a transparent, open discussion – bugs and all – and finding and squashing bugs is the most important part of beta.

But for this transparency the entire process would be under wraps and we would not be learning what the beta testers think of the sound, what they are playing, how the DMP compares to other sources.

I suggest skipping over the naughty bits when reading this thread if the bug reports annoy.

I think a beta program should be kept under wraps, beta owners should be under a non-disclosure agreement in order to participate. The reporting of functional bugs is overwhelming the reporting of the sonic assessments. Get the bugs sorted out within the enclosed space of the beta program. When the beta team have completed their work then get it out into the public space.

That’s how the system works when I’ve done beta testing for Kaleidescape and Lumagen, for up to a year getting the bugs sorted out in beta owner testing prior to wider distribution. The wide-spread reporting of the bugs I think is diluting expectations of the next wave of owners. I’m also inclined to hold-fire on buying until we see a more mature production software.

The next batch of DMP will be shipping in about a month. How could the software be at early production status by then with these bugs? The programmers will be burning the midnight oil until then no doubt.

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And I’m particularly interested in findings of the beta-owners who have their music libraries on a server, how DMP compares sonically to their server playback system. More-so if you’re using a DS/DSJ connected to your server/renderer. Once all my music content was migrated to a server based system I never contemplated ever spinning a disc again. However, if a CD in DMP sounds better than the same CD played off a server then that would get my attention, and would be very useful information in deciding to purchase my own DMP. I would also be prepared to buy SACD so SACD Vs CD comparison is also useful for me, particularly as my server doesn’t support SACD resolution music content.

 Copied your whole quote, as it exactly refIects what I want to know, and is essentially the bottom line on whether I keep it or not.  I, and possibly other of the beta testers are holding off on making such judgements early on for any number of reasons. 

Among them for me at any rate are:

I find the bug squashing process to be a distraction.  That is, I get caught up in trying to sort out why something’s not working – it’s the job. If we received completely bug-free devices, we could just be doing SQ eval and comparison.  But then this wouldn’t be a beta test. Bug hunting also colors my perception of the device.  One expects a device in this price range (heck – ANY price range) to work flawlessly, and when it doesn’t, one can’t help but think, “sheesh, if I will be dealing with this sort of stuff off and on for the first year or two (as apparently some of the prior Transport owners have) I’m not so confident about dropping Six Large”.

But having said that, SQ is what matters most.  I’ll put up with some quirks if it delivers the goods.  My initial impressions are that it does. Does it “blow away” my server setup?  Not sure.  Does it do completely different things, and some completely new (to me) things?  Yes.

There seems to be a fair amount of discussion about whether it “breaks in” in terms of SQ, and whether the HDMI cable matters (and breaks in).  If either or both of those are true (I suspect they both are – maybe) I don’t want to make any pronouncements based on something that is going to sound different later.

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One other thing I would say at this point with a fair degree of confidence is that there have been a number of occasions where I get completely drawn into the music.  Always a good sign.  

Many occasions where I was “working” but the Music caused me to stop bug hunting and listening to “sound”, and just let the album play.  Also a good sign.

Well-known tracks that I look for certain flaws or foibles in reproduction where those issues are gone.  Good sign.

Many occasions where well-known pieces cause the hair to raise on my arms and/or tears come to my eyes.  Good sign.

Many of the above with CDs.  Pretty darn sure it’s the best CD reproduction I’ve ever heard.  And the DSD playback is just creamy as hell, if you’ll pardon my French this early in the morning.

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